#756  tridancer   Subject: I SEE THE LIGHT
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Tuesday, January 31, 2012 09:46 AM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

... and now it's light enough to go for a (short)bike ride after work! Wuhoo!!!

#755  tridancer   Subject: NO SNOW
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Monday, January 23, 2012 10:01 AM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

No snow. No wind. Sunshine and 7 degrees. I guess I have to run today.

#754  tridancer16   Subject: WIND
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Sunday, January 22, 2012 01:23 PM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

Riding today in Victoria is FAST - winds gusting to 100 kmh. Well, fast in one direction anyway.

#753  Randy   Subject: Snow
randygayle@shaw.ca

Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:31 PM Host: S01060021299b0342.ok.shawcable.net

Makes riding in VERNON BC a bit dicy with 15 cm of freshies in town. More at the star. See all the locals in Penticton this august. Train fast, train safe. Randy

#752  tridancer   Subject: SNOW
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:00 AM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

Gone, baby, gone.

#751  tridancer   Subject: SNOW
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Friday, January 20, 2012 10:35 AM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

It's melting, melting ... oh, what a world, what a world!

#750  tridancer   Subject: SNOW!
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:04 AM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

Okay ... today the snow IS sticking!!! And it's cold!!! Wuhoo!!! Everything is shut down because it's Victoria and we pretty much don't have a snow removal programme. Snow = Holiday!!!

#749  tridancer  
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:30 AM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

It's snowing here today. Really. Not sticking though.

#748  Law Dude   Subject: Boxing day

Tuesday, December 27, 2011 02:15 PM Host: c-98-227-19-168.hsd1.in.comcast.net

How was boxing day ? Hopefully the spammer did well.

LD

#747  Law Dude   Subject: Mr. Canada

Thursday, December 15, 2011 07:52 PM Host: c-98-227-19-168.hsd1.in.comcast.net

Hello Mr. Canada !


LD

#746  tridancer   Subject: IMC comp
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Wednesday, November 30, 2011 04:52 PM Host: d50-92-217-57.bchsia.telus.net

So ... anybody else get an offer of a comp entry to 2012 or 2013??? Inquiring minds want to know!

#745  FactCheck   Subject: IMC Crew

Friday, September 16, 2011 01:08 PM Host: adsl-76-230-107-88.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net

Just to get the facts straight, the "miracle management crew" that pulled off the race in the fire year and all the years of excellent racing before WTC bought all of NAS' races except IMC, is not producing IMC. They are at WTC as they went along with the purchase.

Except for Graham still owning NAS, none of the management people putting on the race now were part of the team that put it on for the 10+ years before WTC bought all of the other NAS races and the production team.

#744  noel   Subject: A slippery slope

Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:36 PM Host: 97-88-57-183.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com

Registering and paying money enters you into a contract with the RD and organization. In effect, I'm buying their services, and they are allowing me to participate in the race. There is a minimum level of "service" that a reasonaable person might expect. I'd argue #1 on the list would be the participants safety.
Run out of finisher's shirts, orange slices, pretzels, soup, but you simply can't run out of fluids, period.

What if someone was seriously injured, or died because of dehydration? I'm sure that's not the level of service the IMC organization meant to provide. Am I due compensation? I hesitate to say, quite frankly I don't know. But I'll support the race either way.

I'm embarrassed for IMC. It's an event I hold dear, and brag about all the time. It's sad to see it tarnished. For an organization that pulled off a miracle in 2002 or (03?), the year of the forest fire(s), it's unfortunate this years race is tainted due to "miscalculation".

#743  Curtis   Subject: water
c_madley@yahoo.com

Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:56 PM IP: 158.35.225.231

Tri dancer – I agree we all make major sacrifices to even make it to the start of an Ironman. If I couldn’t get fluids at any of the aid stations (even just one) I would have bonked for sure. I can’t imagine the feeling of getting to an aid station with no fluids. Ironman is the worst and best day of your life. I hope everyone who DNF due to logistical issues holds their head up high, because there is not one person who could of finished the race that day without fluids. As for Sister Madonna Buder getting comped after the race. She’s a nun. Who could ever say no to a nun???

#742  tridancer   Subject: Water
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:54 PM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

It was up to IMC to see that water was provided to everyone. They did not and many participants had their day unfairly concluded as a result. Solving the issue of compensation is also IMC's responsibility. Not the problem of participants who have already been unfairly treated.

#741  tom   Subject: water
collinst@uwo.ca

Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:17 PM IP: 24.69.64.254

I'm not clear about what people think Graham is supposed to do--Give everyone who dnf'd after the bike a comp for next year?? And, if so, why not a comp for all those who think that their time to finish was slower than it would have been if there had not been a water problem??

#740  tridancer   Subject: No water
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Wednesday, September 14, 2011 09:46 PM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

Know what, Curtis? Some folks save up all year and work O/T and get up at 4:00 a.m. to train and give up vacation time, skip lunches and make all kinds of sacrifices ... monetary and otherwise ... for that one time that they will try to complete an Ironman. For every participant there is a story. It's not fair that one person's story matters more than another's. And it doesn't seem fair that a "miscalculation" by the RD should be the factor that determines anyone's fate. Just sayin'.

#739  Curtis   Subject: water at Ironman Canada
c_madley@yahoo.com

Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:50 AM IP: 158.35.225.231

The weather that day was hot, real hot. Hotter than anyone expected (including the athletes). Graham Fraser took full responsibility for the water issue and the finisher’s metal size mix up. That’s more than most organizations would do. As for giving out free registrations (#734 tridancer) like they did in Miami in 2010, as great as that sounds, nobody gets into ironman triathlons to save money…

#738  Hannah   Subject: Water at Ironman
Uniongal71@hotmail.com

Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:15 PM IP: 96.54.170.240

If water was supposed to be available to everyone and it was not then Ironman should be compensating those that were adversely affected. I have heard about an apology but has anything else been done? If not, people should complain to the sponsors. Maybe they can pressure the company to compensate the athletes and volunteers. I can't believe they won't do anything. Doesn't this race really depend on the good will of the people in Penticton? It looks bad for them.

#737  tridancer   Subject: Water, water ... please, water
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:00 AM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

They didn't just run out of water on the bike course - they ran out of fluids. There was nothing.Then they shut down aid stations. I arrived at a station that was shutting down and someone asked me if I was interested in the handful of melting ice that was in the bottom of the tub where they'd been keeping water. I took it! This is all coming out of the out and back and heading up Yellow Lake. The volunteers were fried too - no water or drinks for them either. I saw lots of dangerously dehydrated folks (as in falling off bikes, staggereing on the shoulder). Like Noel ... I didn't go out on the run so I can't comment there. I'm surprised no one is talking lawsuit. The sponsors must be pretty embarassed.

#736  noel   Subject: ...and not a drop to drink....

Monday, September 12, 2011 04:23 PM Host: 97-88-57-183.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com  

They ran out on the bike course, and I heard the run as well (I dnf'ed in T2, so can't say for sure). IMC switched from Gatorade to Powerbar Perform. It's sweeter and more calories than Gatorade. I don't tolerate it well, it's hard to find, and almost non existant in Canada. I suspect alot of people skipped it, and drank water. Plus dumping water on your head to try to keep cool compounded the problem.

This had to rival "the hot year", 1998. My all time favorite race report is from that race, by TriBaby (Tricia Richter)(see web link).
It's long (aren't they all), but wonderfully written. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll smile knowingly, and you'll want to read it again.

Speaking of race reports, are there any out there from Dave or Tridancer?

#735  dave from toronto  
ironmandave@rogers.com

Monday, September 12, 2011 03:48 PM Host: c-24-23-113-61.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

Am I missing something? Sounds like they ran out of water on the course? I've only experienced them running out of hot soup on the run course.. but that's usually around 11pm.

#734  tridancer   Subject: IMC 2012
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:43 AM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

I'll be there for 2012. I am also waiting to hear a response from Graham Fraser from what I understand are numerous requests for comps ... apparently Madonna Buder asked and it was immediately granted.

Someone just emailed this to me (from Miami's 70.3 race in 2010):

"For all athletes who competed in the race on Saturday, WTC is offering a complimentary race entry into any of the 70.3 races in 2011 listed below*, to include next year’s Ironman 70.3 Miami. WTC will contact those competitors on December 1 with registration instructions."

It is one thing to admit a mistake, but it is quite different to actually step up and make good for that mistake. We actually do not recall that another race director or promoter has gone this far before when their event was less than satisfactory."

Well, Graham Fraser???

#733  noel   Subject: IMC

Saturday, September 10, 2011 05:33 PM Host: 97-88-57-183.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com

Tridancer, did you sign up for 2012?

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#731  tridancer   Subject: IMC
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Thursday, September 8, 2011 06:55 PM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

Noel, great minds think alike ... I DNFd also. Dehydration ... ditto. Yowza, it was hot. No water? What? Really? 'Bout all you can say about that one.

#730  noel   Subject: IMC

Thursday, September 1, 2011 09:51 PM Host: 97-88-57-183.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com

2012 will be 30th annual, no doubt they'll oversell it, should be slots available.

Conditions very tough. I made a rookie mistake of not drinking, and apparantly going too hard for the conditions. But I never saw it coming. My meltdown on the bike was scary. Simple case of dehydration and bonking, but my brain must have been cooked, I couldn't process what was happening or why.

I DNF'd. From start of Yellow Lake to just past the top, I stopped 4 times. I absolutely had no energy to turn over my 39/27 bail out gear. After one of my stops, I clipped in to get going again, and promptly fell over. Thank you anonymous spectator who helped me.

I was in T2 for an hour and twenty minutes, trying to summon the courage to continue, before I turned in my chip.
Honestly, I was too scared to even walk the marathon.

There is regret and shame. I take refuge by thinking I made the right decision, but it stings. To quote from Shadowlands, "Experience is a brutal teacher. But you learn. My God, you learn." The Bard said revenge is best served cold. The TriGods must disagree, because their vengence was hot and windy.

#729  dave from toronto  
ironmandave@rogers.com

Thursday, September 1, 2011 08:44 AM Host: c-24-23-113-61.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

So, exactly how bad was the weather. Sounds like a good year not to be there. I noticed there's still spots for next year available on-line. Any word on how many were available. Happy recovering everyone.

#728  Geoff in the Bridge   Subject: Tattoos

Sunday, August 28, 2011 09:15 AM Host: S010678cd8e6f142f.lb.shawcable.net

Bill ... Rob at Sun City Tattoos. Hands down, the best choice! Rob did my tattoo in 2000 and added to it again in 2007. I will have him add to it again in 2013. Good luck in the race! You'll never regret any part of it!

#727  Bill   Subject: tattoo
bfcom@earthlink.net

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 08:21 PM IP: 12.130.118.30

I am planning to celebrate my first IM with a tattoo. Does anyone have any experience or recommendations for reputable places in Penticton?
Nervous and excited ...
Bill

#726  Jeff   Subject: Kelowna to Penticton ride
jeff.physio@gmail.com

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 02:26 PM IP: 142.239.254.11

I am looking to share a ride (and costs) from Kelowna airport to Penticton on August 25. I am arriving just after 11:00am. I can be reached by text or by calling my cell at 902-526-2800.

Jeff

#725  tridancer   Subject: road work
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 02:27 PM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

Not sure which part of the hwy has the road work. Folks we are renting from just warned us of the fact in case we were driving up from Keremeos. They said there was construction between Keremeos and Penticton. I'm going up the Coq so I won't go through there on the way. Like Noel, I usually stop at Bear's too but this year I'm visiting Summerland first. I'll see Bear's soon enough though as I am planning to do a pre-race ride of the out and back. You know, cause it's just so much fun.

#724  Geoff in the Bridge   Subject: Road repairs
geoffnash@shaw.ca

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:08 AM IP: 142.94.26.163

Hey Don ... it couldn't have been ~that~ great of a wedding if you have a keg left over!

Tri - The stretch east from Keremeos on Hwy 3 or the stretch north to Yellow Lake? I remember the Hwy 3 stretch on the downside of Richter's as being the worst shoulder conditions of the entire race. Almost shook my teeth out!

#723  noel   Subject: water temp

Monday, August 22, 2011 07:50 PM Host: 97-88-51-50.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com

Air temp supposed to be upper 20's all week, with sunny and 29 for Sunday.

Why was the water so cold last year? I thought someone said something about the lake turning over, or was it just Ogopogo playing a trick?

#722  Allan   Subject: Canada
mckenzies2@shaw.ca

Monday, August 22, 2011 12:08 PM Host: 207-204-197-177.KYDRSK.yourlink.ca

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#721  WE TRI   Subject: Hi Noel

Monday, August 22, 2011 07:36 AM Host: adsl-99-147-60-232.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net

Who can this be?

#720  WE TRI   Subject: lake temperature

Monday, August 22, 2011 07:34 AM Host: adsl-99-147-60-232.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net

Does anyone know what Lake Okanagan water temerature is?

#719  noel   Subject: GO time

Sunday, August 21, 2011 07:39 PM Host: 97-88-51-50.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com

tridancer, Hope it's done before race day. I'll see first hand Wed. morning on my drive into town. One of many traditions (rituals, superstitions?) is to stop at the Bear fruit stand for some goodies, then over Yellow Lake to God's country.

canniballe, The only brick I'm doing is a morning swim then Tim Horton's. Maybe that's why I'm BOP.

#718  tridancer   Subject: Road Work
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:00 AM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

I keep hearing about road work on the Keremeos to Penticton ... anyone know what kind of work? Could it possibly be that they are paving everything making it smooth as silk?!!!!

#717  canniballe   Subject: brick on tuesday
rejean@telus.net

Sunday, August 21, 2011 08:11 AM IP: 207.194.96.209

going to ride the out and back on tuesday, if anyone would like to come i have room in my truck,

#716  dave from toronto  
ironmandave@rogers.com

Saturday, August 20, 2011 06:11 AM Host: c-24-23-113-61.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

I know exactly what you mean tridancer. The wind was so strong in my first race that I couldn't read the hanging metal road signs - they were horizontal! And I couldn't coast downhill; had to peddle or the wind would stop me. I found the whole situation to be absurd so I couldn't help but laugh. The volunteers at the aid stations must have thought I was a lunatic. Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying.

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#714  Steuerberater Aschaffenburg   Subject: Really interesting article
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Friday, August 19, 2011 09:32 AM Host: ip-95-222-202-255.unitymediagroup.de  

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 06:40 PM Host: cpc1-brig8-0-0-cust90.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com  

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#712  tridancer   Subject: Back at the dance ...
tridancer16@hotmail.com

Thursday, August 18, 2011 09:22 AM Host: d50-92-222-64.bchsia.telus.net

Hey, all!

First ... best of luck to all who are brave enough to toe the line this year! You will have an amazing experience!!! One year's pre-swim tribute still rings in my ears, "Iron Warriors, we salute you!" I still get chills!

Dave, your experience is so similar to mine (I actually think we might both have been in the sag-wagon one year). My first two attempts were DNF's, then two finishes, then a DNF. The last DNF was the most fun race I ever had believe it or not. I have never laughed so much on the bike - one calamity after another - you could only laugh.

I'm looking to even the score this year - whatever happens, though, I'll be smiling!

#711  dave from toronto  
ironmandave@rogers.com

Thursday, August 18, 2011 08:37 AM Host: c-24-23-113-61.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

An excellent question Noel. Even now, I'm not sure I would have done more races if I had finished on the right side of midnight. I'd like to think I would have given the way Lori Bowden and Graham Fraser welcomed me into the Ironman family, but who knows. I think things happen for a reason. My 2000 race forced me to keep training and return in 2001.... which forced me to keep training and return in 2002. Funny how one race influences another. My last race was in 2008 and I still feel the need to return to avenge another 'missed it by that much' finish. See you in 2012.

#710  noel   Subject: IMC past, present, and future

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 09:20 PM Host: 97-88-51-6.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com

Geoff, Dave, Great to hear from you. You'll be missed this year, but I'm glad you plan to return soon. Nice to get some regulars on the page again. Just tridancer and myself lately. Tridancer, best of luck to you, have a GREAT IMC.

Question: Can 53 seconds change a person's life? I think it can. Dave might have been a one and done Ironman, had it not been for 53 seconds. And for others who dared to dream in silence, those 53 seconds (no doubt) empowered them to roar "I can!".

Times do change, but the essence of IMC stays the same. The experience gets imprinted on your soul, and it beckons for your return. Like thunder in the mountains, IMC calls for you.

"If you can force your heart your legs your brain, to serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when in you there nothing but pain, Except the Iron Will which says to them: Hold on!"

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute, with 60 seconds worth of distance run. Yours is the finish line, and everything that's in it, And - what is more - you'll be an Ironman, when you're done"

My apologies to Rudyard! I applaud all, past, present, and future IMC Iromans! Enjoy the journey.

#709  Geoff in the Bridge  

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 01:19 PM IP: 142.94.26.163

I was at that breakfast. There were two guest speakers, who's names are right there, at the tip of my tongue ...

I also was at Lori Bowden's breakfast, I believe the Wednesday before the race. I still cherish personally autographed pictures of her and Chuckie V, the previous year's winners. Those were special times!

IMC 2000: 14:48
IMC 2007: 14:44
IMC 2013: ??:??

#708  dave from toronto  
ironmandave@rogers.com

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:25 AM Host: c-24-23-113-61.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

Good luck Noel, tridancer and everyone else. I was also on the beach back in August 2000 for what turned out to be a very long day. Seventeen hours and 53 seconds to be exact; but that's a story for another day. I agree that the chat room was far more active and was a critical source of guidance. I recall that ironboy (aka the current RD) organized a breakfast for us so we could all meet. Ah, the times are a changin'. I expect to be back for the 2012 race; which hopefully will be lucky number seven. Happpy training and tapering everyone.

#707  Geoff in the Bridge   Subject: Good luck
geoffnash@shaw.ca

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:43 PM IP: 142.94.26.163

Good luck Noel! I remember coming to these pages back in '99-2000 when the enthusiasm was real and this chat realm was vibrant and new. So many who's enthusiasm was infectious and we could all feed from each other's energy. I trained hard; I trained scared! I stood on the beach on a calm, beautiful morning in August, 2000 and I was ready. And I was ready with thanks, in very large part, to the online community that came here and yet today seems so distant. But the echoes remain and I come here once again. Not this year and not next ... but perhaps, God willing, another warm August morning in 2013 will bring my yearning toes to the shores of serene Lake Okanagan. Cheers! Enjoy your journey! May you find wings attached to your ankles raceday morning!